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Post by I Am Batman on Nov 17, 2006 1:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by I Am Batman on Nov 17, 2006 1:06:59 GMT -5
Now then.. Every few months we get a scare like this. Somebody wants to close a trail or regulate something or make us pay to wheel or whatever. This time its for real and they are aiming at florence I know there arent a ton of hardcore guys on here but I know theres a few of you and you DO wheel there and you DO know people who use the area. The BLM is trying to close down cottonwood canyon road, which leads into EVERY trail in the florence junction area. They would also like to close box canyon which is the alternative, yet time consuming way in to the are.
ALL I WANT FROM YOU GUYS IS TO TAKE THE TIME TO READ AROUND A BIT AND GET THE STORY STRAIGHT. THIS IS NOT A SCARE THIS TIME AND WE MUST TAKE ACTION.
We will need people to become educated on the subject and show up to meetings.
Also, as with any retarded never ending struggle we will need money. I plan to have a paypal account set up to take donations and there is a parts swap meet/rig wash in the near futire. We are also planning on getting a few of the local shops involved and making flyers and such.
Im looking to become VERY invoved in this, but I ask very little of you. Please please please read the information & let others know.
I have a ton more info and Ill post up more as I can gather it & put it into words I can understand haha
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Post by I Am Batman on Nov 17, 2006 1:07:26 GMT -5
Related info about the "Copper Sticker" program. Contact:
Ian Satter (602) 789-3223
Public Information Officer
Arizona Game and Fish Department
NEWS RELEASE
For immediate release Oct. 27, 2006
Public input sought on Arizona's OHV management bill
The Arizona Game and Fish Department, on behalf of the Off-highway Vehicle Legislative Workgroup and Arizona Game and Fish Commission, is seeking input from the public regarding the "Copper Sticker" off-highway vehicle (OHV) user fee proposed draft legislation. A series of informational open houses will be held around the state in October and November, and written comment will be accepted until Nov. 26.
The Off-highway Vehicle Legislative Workgroup, a group comprised of OHV recreationists and outdoor user groups, land management agencies, county and local governments, and Game and Fish, have worked together to develop a "copper sticker" program to improve OHV management in Arizona. The draft legislation will enhance funding for OHV programs including the maintenance and development of OHV trails and routes, education and information programs, enhanced law enforcement resources and mitigation for damage to environmental, historical and cultural resources from OHV recreation.
Informational public meetings describing the OHV user-driven draft legislation highlights will be held from 7 to 9 p.m. on the following dates:
Monday, Oct. 30 - Prescott, Prescott Valley Council Chambers 7501 E. Civic Circle
Thursday, Nov. 2 - Pinetop, Arizona Game and Fish Department regional office 2878 E. White Mountain Boulevard
Friday, Nov. 3 - Mesa, City Of Mesa Utilities Department 640 North Mesa Drive
Monday, Nov. 6 - Yuma, Arizona Game and Fish Department regional office 9140 E. 28th Street
Tuesday, Nov. 7 - Kingman, Arizona Game and Fish Department regional office 5325 N. Stockton Hill Road
Wednesday, Nov. 8 - Flagstaff, Arizona Game and Fish Department regional office 3500 S. Lake Mary Road
Wednesday, Nov. 15 - Glendale, Glendale Foothills Branch Library 19055 N. 57th Avenue
Thursday, Nov. 16 - Safford, Eastern Arizona College Bonita Room 1014 N. College Avenue
The draft legislation can be downloaded and additional information can be obtained from the department's Web site at azgfd.gov/coppersticker.
Written comment can submitted until Nov. 26 at the meetings, through the Game and Fish Web site or by U.S. mail to OHV Comments, c/o Joe Sacco, Arizona Game and Fish Department, 2221 W. Greenway Road, Phoenix, AZ 85023-4399.
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2dollah
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Post by 2dollah on Jan 12, 2007 12:21:11 GMT -5
Some bastard from the last cunty thunder Rammed their trucks in to the cabins. Nice.
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Pauly383
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Post by Pauly383 on Jan 12, 2007 23:54:11 GMT -5
Some bastard from the last cunty thunder Rammed their trucks in to the cabins. Nice. thats cool i need to get a big ass bumper so i can do that stuff with you guys ;D DO NOT drive into anything on any of OUR ( the whole states ) trails . Good god man , the sentence you quoted was anger and sarcasm , not a glorification of idiots ****ing up OUR TRAILS . |
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Post by fwp on Jan 13, 2007 10:57:36 GMT -5
last time i was out there i saw some guys shoot up the matnez cabins pretty cool  WTF is up with that statement??? I sincerely hope you are trying to be funny (which you aren't BTW) and you don't really mean that. You better start explaining. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 13, 2007 12:43:42 GMT -5
last time i was out there i saw some guys shoot up the matnez cabins pretty cool WTF is up with that statement??? I sincerely hope you are trying to be funny (which you aren't BTW) and you don't really mean that. You better start explaining. I second that. We don't need anyone shooting, ramming, tearing, trashing, etc any of our trails. |
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Post by SuperDave on Jan 13, 2007 18:19:57 GMT -5
JUST JOKING GUYS> I WAS TROLLING UNDER LT DAN. BY NO MEANS HAVE MY COMMENTS UNDER LTDAN BEEN SERIOUS! I CONDONE NONE OF THE ABOVE!!!!!  |
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2dollah
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Post by 2dollah on Jan 14, 2007 20:17:45 GMT -5
Woo hoo it's a party in here!!
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Post by 2dollah on Jan 14, 2007 21:05:37 GMT -5
Lifted from undertakers:
Francisco J. Mendoza
Outdoor Recreation Planner
12661 E. Broadway Blvd.
Tucson, AZ 85748
PH(520) 258-7226
FAX(520) 258-7238
dear mr mendoza:
on behalf of the undertakers off-road club, i would like to address the situation at hand in the florence area pertaining to off-road activity. so many rumors are floating around as to the closing of portions and/or all of the area to off-road use. we are very upset with this proposal and want to participate in any decisions that might be made towards this closing of our public lands.
our club, along with many others, frequent the beautiful area of what we chose to call the "florence junction" area in order to enjoy our days off doing what we love to do, that which is known as off-roading. we have all spent thousands of hard earned dollars on our "toys" for this hobby and take pride in what we do. we are a close-knit group and communicate with each other any news that pertains to our sport.
we are all well aware of the area and it's tender habitat that must be protected, thus the "tread lightly" attitude we all take with us to the trail each and every time we visit the florence junction area. we are also aware of those people that do not tread lightly and deface the land that we care so much about. trash, graffitti, abandoned vehicles are all left behind by those individuals that don't frequent the area but make that one trip out to deface our land. unfortunately these individuals are not apprehended by the law enforcement agencies and continue to destroy our public lands. it is the actions of these people that are endangering the off-road clubs future use of the land.
the florence junction area has some fabulous history amongst it including some of the largest displays of indian petroglyphs in the western united states. other historical sites available are several old mines and remnants of mining structures including those in martinez canyon. the off-road enthusiast population respect these landmarks and would never think of defacing them.
the flora and fauna in the florence junction area is of course fragile, as in any other arid desert land. again, the off-road community respects the living entity of the area and would never think of harming the balance of nature. we love this land. this land is OURS and YOURS to enjoy for today, tomorrow and for the future.
here is a list of things we do when visiting this land:
1. stay on already pre-established roads or in washes.
2. pick up any others trash when we see it.
3. clean-up any engine spills when applicable.
here are a list of things we DON'T do:
1. we do not leave the beaten path and carve new roads.
2. we do not shoot weapons and leave a litter of targets and spent cartridges.
3. we do not deface the land with litter and graffitti.
4. we do not kill wildlife or steal plants and rocks.
what we want, is to be able to continue using our public land for which it was intended. that being a habitat-friendly recreational use for which we believe the off-roading sport applies. we are all grown adults who know right from wrong and deeply respect the land for which we and our ancestors have fought for all these years. please don't take this land away from us.
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Steve
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Post by Steve on Jan 15, 2007 1:45:08 GMT -5
Are we in need of sending out our own letters or letters from the club also? If so that is a good start in the format for a letter. Thanks.
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Post by rhino105 on Jan 15, 2007 8:20:41 GMT -5
Be very careful about even joking on a public forum. I KNOW from an experience we had on a dirtbike site I frequent that the greenies monitor offroad websites.They have no problem using quotes or posts out of context to make us look as bad as they can. You know how much they lie and twist the truth anyway, lets not give them any more ammo to use against us.
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2dollah
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Post by 2dollah on Jan 15, 2007 12:08:32 GMT -5
Are we in need of sending out our own letters or letters from the club also? If so that is a good start in the format for a letter. Thanks. Yes, send out the letter but tailer it so its from you. Also, send one out on behalf of the club. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 15, 2007 19:39:45 GMT -5
Yes, send out the letter but tailer it so its from you. Also, send one out on behalf of the club.[/quote]
Well yeah. Seriously that is what I meant by a good format to start with. It gives the basic idea of what we need to do.
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2dollah
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Post by 2dollah on Jan 17, 2007 10:52:52 GMT -5
Now we're hearing that Francisco hates letter and will only lash out at us. Something is seriously wrong with the system. Basically, we can do nothing.
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Post by f250crawler on Jan 24, 2007 15:11:34 GMT -5
Anyone going to the meeting tonight?
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